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[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of EDM with a huge amount of Jazz influence. There are countless similarities between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently.
[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of EDM with a huge amount of Jazz influence. There are countless similarities between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently.


This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by the [[Jazz Imperial Complex|Jazz imperial complex]]. The Fizz community doesn't identify their genre as its own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the JIC, and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".
This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".


Let's just say that the "Fizz is just repackaged Jazz" argument isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, can't hear the differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).
Let's just say that the "Fizz is just repackaged Jazz" argument isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, can't hear the differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).
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|'''Electronic''' sounds and instruments are featured primarily, but there are no hard rules.
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|If a song is in line with the [[Torus of Fizzosophy|Fizzosophy]] and the composer identifies it as such, it's Fizz. Not a definition that '''Charlie Kirk''' would be a fan of, but that's how it is.
|If a song is in line with the [[Torus of Fizzosophy|Fizzosophy]] and the composer identifies it as such, it's Fizz. Not a definition that '''Charlie Kirk''' would be a fan of, but that's how it is.

Revision as of 23:54, 13 June 2026

Fizz is a sub-genre of EDM with a huge amount of Jazz influence. There are countless similarities between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently.

This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz can't identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the Jazz imperial complex, and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like Weevil Lore by phonon, would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

Let's just say that the "Fizz is just repackaged Jazz" argument isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, can't hear the differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

Differences between Fizz and Jazz

The following is a list of musical and philosophical differences between Jazz and Fizz. Some of the characteristics listed under "Jazz" might not necessarily apply to Jazz-identifying genres like Nu Jazz or Jazztronica, but that's something for them to reckon with.

Jazz Fizz
Origin Spearheaded primarily by Black Americans in the early 20th century. Derived from Blues, Ragtime, West African Music and European Classical Music. Spearheaded primarily by a wide assortment of Americans in the 2020s. Derived from Nu-Jazz, Jazz Fusion, Dubstep and other EDM subgenres.
Improvisation Fundamental. Heavily embraced.
Music Theory Heavily embraced. Fundamental.
Sound Design Not heavily embraced. Fundamental.
Live vs Recorded Live music is more important than recorded music. The recording is understood to be a "snapshot" of the live performance. Live music and recorded music are equally important. The recording is understood to be the platonic ideal of the song, with live performances being instantiations of it.
Ethics of Production Tools Quantization, autotune and editing are seen as permissible, but these kinds of tools used in excess can make a piece sound overproduced, which takes away from the humanity of it. Quantization, autotune and any kind of editing are seen as tools that add humanity to the music. The term "overproduced" is almost never used unironically in the Fizz community.
Song Structure Jazz traditionally contains 2 instances of the "head" with at least 1 solo in the middle. There are no hard rules for what happens around or in between those sections. There are basically no rules, but most Fizz can be understood as having verse-chorus song structure. Fizz frequently features bridges, buildups and drops, and occasionally features breakdowns and aftersections.
Instrumentation Acoustic/Electric instruments are featured primarily, but there are no hard rules. Electronic sounds and instruments are featured primarily, but there are no hard rules.
Gatekeeping Jazz Imperial Complex If a song is in line with the Fizzosophy and the composer identifies it as such, it's Fizz. Not a definition that Charlie Kirk would be a fan of, but that's how it is.
Tropes II V I cadences

chromaticism swing

VI VII I cadences

melodic hooks rigid, quantized rhythms

Swing On a basic level, swing is described as a displacement of every other beat on the grid. In reality, swing is an extremely complex, fluid grid that takes years to feel intuitively (as a musician). Swing is understood to be the mere mathematical operation of displacing every other beat on the grid, often described by percentages (ex. 57% swing, 66% swing) by DAW users.