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	[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'''.]]		[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'''.]]
	=== TCBS ===		=== TCBS ===
	'''Time Complexity Bias''' or '''Time Complexity Bias Syndrome (TCBS)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. It is one of the branches of MCBS.		'''Time Complexity Bias''' or '''Time Complexity Bias Syndrome (TCBS)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. It is one of the branches of MCBS. If you're confused, just listen to anything by [https://www.instagram.com/jolynnjchin/ Jolynn J Chin] (the self-proclaimed "CEO of time signatures").

	=== [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Microtonal exaggeration]] ===		=== [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Microtonal exaggeration]] ===

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	=== [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|Everything is in 4/4]] ===		=== [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|Everything is in 4/4]] ===
	What doesn't have as much to do together with the Time Complexity Bias is the [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|everything is in 4/4 if you count long enough theory]], even though these two can easily be confused. TCB is about the sum of the values of measures, converting it to 1 measure with a single time signature and simplifying it by dividing the numerator and denominator by the same number. The Everything is in 4/4 theory however just goes on to ignore the intended measure length and just counts everything in the simplest way to count (yet the stupidest way to interpret the actual intentions of the musician). This theory technically falls under extreme musical reductionism.		What doesn't have as much to do together with the Time Complexity Bias is the [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|everything is in 4/4 if you count long enough theory]], even though these two can easily be confused. TCB is about the sum of the values of measures, converting it to 1 measure with a single time signature and simplifying it by dividing the numerator and denominator by the same number. The Everything is in 4/4 theory however just goes on to ignore the intended measure length and just counts everything in the simplest way to count (yet the stupidest way to interpret the actual intentions of the musician). This theory technically falls under extreme musical reductionism.
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Lattaio Meimnagaan JS at 09:35, 16 July 2026

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	What doesn't have as much to do together with the Time Complexity Bias is the [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|everything is in 4/4 if you count long enough theory]], even though these two can easily be confused. TCB is about the sum of the values of measures, converting it to 1 measure with a single time signature and simplifying it by dividing the numerator and denominator by the same number. The Everything is in 4/4 theory however just goes on to ignore the intended measure length and just counts everything in the simplest way to count (yet the stupidest way to interpret the actual intentions of the musician). This theory technically falls under extreme musical reductionism.		What doesn't have as much to do together with the Time Complexity Bias is the [[Everything Is In 4/4 Theory\|everything is in 4/4 if you count long enough theory]], even though these two can easily be confused. TCB is about the sum of the values of measures, converting it to 1 measure with a single time signature and simplifying it by dividing the numerator and denominator by the same number. The Everything is in 4/4 theory however just goes on to ignore the intended measure length and just counts everything in the simplest way to count (yet the stupidest way to interpret the actual intentions of the musician). This theory technically falls under extreme musical reductionism.
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Lattaio Meimnagaan JS at 21:11, 15 July 2026

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	'''Music Complexity Bias Syndrome (MCB/MCBS)''' is a newly emerging approach towards music that puts complexity in the place of quality and ~~sounding nice~~. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' ~~but~~ it ~~actually~~ '''~~isn~~'t"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and is the main power supply of [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds) and [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Mikes]] (Microtonal Theorists).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>		'''Music Complexity Bias Syndrome (MCB/MCBS)''' is a newly emerging approach towards music that puts complexity in the place of quality and pleasure from listening. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' it doesn't matter if it's good or not'''"''' or even picking the more complex path instead of the simple and obvious one, not caring about the final outcome<ref>https://fs.blog/complexity-bias/</ref>. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and is the main power supply of [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds) and [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Mikes]] (Microtonal Theorists).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>

	- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>		- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>

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	~~[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'~~''~~.]]~~		'''Music Complexity Bias Syndrome (MCB/MCBS)''' is a newly emerging approach towards music that puts complexity in the place of quality and sounding nice. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and is the main power supply of [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds) and [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Mikes]] (Microtonal Theorists).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>
	'~~''Time Complexity Bias''' or '''Time~~ Complexity Bias Syndrome (~~TCBS~~)''' is ~~an occurrence where~~ the ~~composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s)~~ of ~~a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''~~. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and ~~people who find themselves in such situations could be considered~~ [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>

	- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>		- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>

	= Examples =		= Examples =

			=== In Music Criticism ===
			Most common examples of MCBS stem from music criticism, album ratings, internet forums and "unpopular opinions", where self-proclaimed music expert cluds pretend to know what they're talking about. For further investigation, I'd suggest watching any album rating by Anthony Fantano.

			=== Examples of MCB in Time (TCB) ===
	The song [https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LGKQv6P35Iw System by Brotherly] sounds pretty complex at first, but eventually you realize it's simply 6/8. Because Brotherly knew very well what they were doing with all the syncopation, this is actually a case of '''TCB on the side of the listener''' as we are the ones hallucinating the absent complexity.		The song [https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=LGKQv6P35Iw System by Brotherly] sounds pretty complex at first, but eventually you realize it's simply 6/8. Because Brotherly knew very well what they were doing with all the syncopation, this is actually a case of '''TCB on the side of the listener''' as we are the ones hallucinating the absent complexity.

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	= Similar Phenomenons =		= Similar Phenomenons =
			[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'''.]]
			=== TCBS ===
			'''Time Complexity Bias''' or '''Time Complexity Bias Syndrome (TCBS)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. It is one of the branches of MCBS.

	=== ~~MCBS~~ ===		=== [[The "Mike" (Microtonal Theorist)\|Microtonal exaggeration]] ===
	~~Musical Complexity Bias Syndrome~~ is ~~what all Cluds have~~ and ~~what makes them all Cluds~~. ~~Time Complexity Bias is a branch of MCB~~.		Microtonality is considered something so innovative by some to the point of where they start pushing it into anything and everything. People with this trait are called Mikes.

	=== [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|EMR]] ===		=== [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|EMR]] ===

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Lattaio Meimnagaan JS at 19:54, 13 July 2026

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	[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'''.]]		[[File:Time Equivalence.jpg\|thumb\|A simple chart showing how a '''plain melody or rhythm''' in accelerated bars of 7, 3 and 2 beats can become '''misinterpreted as 4 bars of 3/4'''.]]
	'''Time Complexity Bias (~~TCB~~)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>		'''Time Complexity Bias''' or '''Time Complexity Bias Syndrome (TCBS)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>

	- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>		- Confucius ''<sub><small>might've said some of this</small></sub>''</blockquote>
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	= Similar Phenomenons =		= Similar Phenomenons =

	=== ~~MCB~~ ===		=== MCBS ===
	Musical Complexity Bias is what all Cluds have and what makes them all Cluds. Time Complexity Bias is a branch of MCB.		Musical Complexity Bias Syndrome is what all Cluds have and what makes them all Cluds. Time Complexity Bias is a branch of MCB.

	=== [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|EMR]] ===		=== [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|EMR]] ===

Lattaio Meimnagaan JS at 19:52, 12 July 2026

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	'''Time Complexity Bias (TCB)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>		'''Time Complexity Bias (TCB)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>

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	'''Time Complexity Bias (TCB)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>		'''Time Complexity Bias (TCB)''' is an occurrence where the composer overengineers the "complex" time signature(s) of a piece, when it just ends up being '''equivalent to a much simpler time signature'''. In plain english, you could explain it as '''"the song''' is supposed to be '''complex,''' but it actually '''isn't"'''. It is the opposite of [[Extreme Musical Reductionism\|extreme musical reductionism]] and people who find themselves in such situations could be considered [[Clud\|Cluds]] (Complexity Larping Chuds).<blockquote><big>''“Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated. Also fizz is pretty cool btw”''</big>

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	There is a video of a guitar player describing how proud he was of his 7 + 5 riff, until his teacher or someone told him it's just in 6/8. I would've included a link if i could find it.		There is a video of a guitar player describing how proud he was of his 7 + 5 riff, until his teacher or someone told him it's just in 6/8. I would've included a link if i could find it.

	== Similar Phenomenons ==		= Similar Phenomenons =

	=== MCB ===		=== MCB ===