Jazz Imperial Complex - Revision history

Niggamario at 18:21, 24 July 2026

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	* ''“The new stuff these cats are playing is hip, but where do you think it all came from?”''		* ''“The new stuff these cats are playing is hip, but where do you think it all came from?”''

	* ''“If you wanna be a real cat, you gotta shed the ~~real book~~ like your life depends on it. No one will call you up in a jam if you can’t play the blues”''		* ''“If you wanna be a real cat, you gotta shed the Real Book like your life depends on it. No one will call you up in a jam if you can’t play the blues”''

	* ''“Your playing is cool but you gotta listen to the greats that came before you. I’m talkin Herbie, Miles, Chick…now that’s real jazz”''		* ''“Your playing is cool but you gotta listen to the greats that came before you. I’m talkin Herbie, Miles, Chick…now that’s real jazz”''

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	== Fizz's Stance ==		== Fizz's Stance ==
	[[Fizz]] completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?		[[Fizz]] completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the [[Microrhythms\|microrhythm]]. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?
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Fizzwikiadmin at 23:32, 15 July 2026

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	== Fizz's Stance ==		== Fizz's Stance ==
	[[Fizz]] completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?		[[Fizz]] completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?
	[[Category:~~Fizz Lore~~]]		[[Category:Fizzosophy]]

Fizzwikiadmin at 21:56, 10 July 2026

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	== Fizz's Stance ==		== Fizz's Stance ==
	Fizz completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?		[[Fizz]] completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?
	[[Category:Fizz Lore]]		[[Category:Fizz Lore]]

Niggamario at 14:00, 10 July 2026

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	[[File:Fizz wojak comic fusion.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 1]]		[[File:Fizz wojak comic fusion.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 1]]
	~~Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?~~		The '''Jazz Imperial Complex''' (JIC) is the system in which Jazz takes as much territory from western music as possible through two tiers. At the top, jazz musicians uphold their musical traditions and values, while at the bottom, people make and listen to music that’s labeled as jazz but lacks a lot of the traditional elements upheld at the top. This structure can be found in various scenes like masterclasses led by jazz greats, music colleges/conservatories, and social media comment sections. Jazz purists at the top of the JIC will claim that anything that doesn’t follow their rulebook isn’t “real Jazz”, yet there remains a vast amount of musicians that label their own music as Jazz for the sole purpose of marketing.
	~~[[File:Yellow circle is all jazz wojak2.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 2]]~~
	The '''Jazz Imperial Complex''' (JIC) is the ~~hierarchical structure that maintains~~ Jazz~~'s claim over a giant portion of the~~ western ~~musical landscape~~. ~~This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy~~ the ~~same style~~ and ~~culture of "~~the ~~greats"~~, and ~~2: Fans of~~ music ~~similar to,~~ but ~~still outside~~ of ~~that tradition~~. ~~The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy~~, ~~but the result of converging interests between~~ Jazz purists ~~who want to be~~ at the top of a ~~large, relevant hierarchy, and~~ musicians that ~~benefit from identifying with~~ the ~~prestigious label~~ of ~~Jazz~~.

	~~== Kenny G ==~~		The purists at the top of the JIC frequently berate everyone at the bottom, and the attacks usually come in the form of untrained musicianship disguised as the preservation of tradition.
	~~Kenny G is a perfect example~~ of the JIC ~~in action. He labels his music as Jazz for marketing purposes~~, and ~~traditional jazzheads like Wynton Marsalis get to scoff at him for not being "real Jazz", thereby increasing their prestige within~~ the ~~broadened Jazz label. Both parties benefit from~~ the ~~JIC, but it comes at the cost~~ of the ~~identity and dignity~~ of ~~those at the bottom~~.

	The JIC often results in artists at the bottom getting ridiculed for not playing by the rules of the top. (ex. not knowing how to play the blues, not knowing standards, not listening to "the greats", not swinging enough, writing solos instead of ~~improvising them)~~, ~~and it can become especially problematic when an artist gets roped into~~ the ~~JIC against their will by being labeled as Jazz by their fans.~~		* “''You played a lot of notes, but did you get the gig?”''

	~~Every time~~ you ~~hear~~ a ~~comment~~ like ~~"This Pop/Metal/EDM song uses jazzy chord extensions" (even~~ if it'~~s literally just~~ a ~~couple~~ of ~~m11s)~~, that~~'s the~~ JIC ~~in action~~. ~~Most genres with~~ complex harmony ~~end up being gobbled up by~~ the JIC, but [[~~Fizz~~]] is ~~a genre~~ that ~~[[Mass_Jazz_Exodus\|intentionally separates itself]]~~ from this ~~oppressive hierarchy.~~		* ''“The new stuff these cats are playing is hip, but where do you think it all came from?”''

			* ''“If you wanna be a real cat, you gotta shed the real book like your life depends on it. No one will call you up in a jam if you can’t play the blues”''

			* ''“Your playing is cool but you gotta listen to the greats that came before you. I’m talkin Herbie, Miles, Chick…now that’s real jazz”''

			These are a few of many talking points traditional jazzers use that lock musicians in a box, and increasing the size of that box seems to be their objective.

			== JIC In Action ==
			The JIC is incredibly easy to catch. If you find a song that contains complex harmony or chords with even one extension, you may see people complimenting the use of “jazzy chords”. '''Congratulations, you’ve spotted the JIC!'''

			Musicians are not able to use chords with more than four notes without people calling it Jazz, even though they might not want to call it Jazz themselves. The labeling of a song as Jazz can bring it more attention, but it can also sacrifice the identity of both the song and the person who wrote it.

			== Fizz's Stance ==
			Fizz completely rejects the oppressive nature of the JIC and its effects on the musical landscape. In the [[Torus of Fizzosophy]], one of the 3 axioms is that Everything Matters, which describes the importance of every musical detail down to the microrhythm. That doesn’t hold true for jazz purists that control the JIC because of their disregard for innovation and their inability to move on from the music that came out when they were 12. What year is this, f*cking 1950?
	[[Category:Fizz Lore]]		[[Category:Fizz Lore]]

Fizzwikiadmin at 08:19, 14 June 2026

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	Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?		Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?
	[[File:Yellow circle is all jazz wojak2.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 2]]		[[File:Yellow circle is all jazz wojak2.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 2]]
	The Jazz Imperial Complex (JIC) is the hierarchical structure that maintains Jazz's claim over a giant portion of the western musical landscape. This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy the same style and culture of "the greats", and 2: Fans of music similar to, but still outside of that tradition. The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy, but the result of converging interests between Jazz purists who want to be at the top of a large, relevant hierarchy, and musicians that benefit from identifying with the prestigious label of Jazz.		The '''Jazz Imperial Complex''' (JIC) is the hierarchical structure that maintains Jazz's claim over a giant portion of the western musical landscape. This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy the same style and culture of "the greats", and 2: Fans of music similar to, but still outside of that tradition. The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy, but the result of converging interests between Jazz purists who want to be at the top of a large, relevant hierarchy, and musicians that benefit from identifying with the prestigious label of Jazz.

			== Kenny G ==
	Kenny G is a perfect example of the JIC in action. He labels his music as Jazz for marketing purposes, and traditional jazzheads like Wynton Marsalis get to scoff at him for not being "real Jazz", thereby increasing their prestige within the broadened Jazz label. Both parties benefit from the JIC, but it comes at the cost of the identity and dignity of those at the bottom.		Kenny G is a perfect example of the JIC in action. He labels his music as Jazz for marketing purposes, and traditional jazzheads like Wynton Marsalis get to scoff at him for not being "real Jazz", thereby increasing their prestige within the broadened Jazz label. Both parties benefit from the JIC, but it comes at the cost of the identity and dignity of those at the bottom.

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	Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?		Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?
			[[File:Yellow circle is all jazz wojak2.jpg\|thumb\|JIC 2]]
	The Jazz Imperial Complex (JIC) is the hierarchical structure that maintains Jazz's claim over a giant portion of the western musical landscape. This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy the same style and culture of "the greats", and 2: Fans of music similar to, but still outside of that tradition. The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy, but the result of converging interests between Jazz purists who want to be at the top of a large, relevant hierarchy, and musicians that benefit from identifying with the prestigious label of Jazz.		The Jazz Imperial Complex (JIC) is the hierarchical structure that maintains Jazz's claim over a giant portion of the western musical landscape. This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy the same style and culture of "the greats", and 2: Fans of music similar to, but still outside of that tradition. The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy, but the result of converging interests between Jazz purists who want to be at the top of a large, relevant hierarchy, and musicians that benefit from identifying with the prestigious label of Jazz.

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Ever notice how everything from Duke Ellington to Knower is labelled as Jazz? What's going on here?

The Jazz Imperial Complex (JIC) is the hierarchical structure that maintains Jazz's claim over a giant portion of the western musical landscape. This hierarchy is comprised of 1: "Real" Jazz fans that occupy the same style and culture of "the greats", and 2: Fans of music similar to, but still outside of that tradition. The JIC isn’t a formal conspiracy, but the result of converging interests between Jazz purists who want to be at the top of a large, relevant hierarchy, and musicians that benefit from identifying with the prestigious label of Jazz.

Kenny G is a perfect example of the JIC in action. He labels his music as Jazz for marketing purposes, and traditional jazzheads like Wynton Marsalis get to scoff at him for not being "real Jazz", thereby increasing their prestige within the broadened Jazz label. Both parties benefit from the JIC, but it comes at the cost of the identity and dignity of those at the bottom.

The JIC often results in artists at the bottom getting ridiculed for not playing by the rules of the top. (ex. not knowing how to play the blues, not knowing standards, not listening to "the greats", not swinging enough, writing solos instead of improvising them), and it can become especially problematic when an artist gets roped into the JIC against their will by being labeled as Jazz by their fans.

Every time you hear a comment like "This Pop/Metal/EDM song uses jazzy chord extensions" (even if it's literally just a couple of m11s), that's the JIC in action. Most genres with complex harmony end up being gobbled up by the JIC, but [[Fizz]] is a genre that [[Mass_Jazz_Exodus|intentionally separates itself]] from this oppressive hierarchy.
[[Category:Fizz Lore]]