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Differences between Fizz and Jazz

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	Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in their tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to notice the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).		Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in their tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to notice the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

	== Differences between Fizz ~~and Jazz~~ ==		== Differences between Jazz and Fizz ==
	The following is a list of '''musical''' and '''philosophical''' differences between Jazz and Fizz. Some of the characteristics listed under "Jazz" might not necessarily apply to [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz-identifying]] genres like Nu Jazz or Jazztronica, but that's something for them to reckon with.		The following is a list of '''musical''' and '''philosophical''' differences between Jazz and Fizz. Some of the characteristics listed under "Jazz" might not necessarily apply to [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz-identifying]] genres like Nu Jazz or Jazztronica, but that's something for them to reckon with.
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Differences between Fizz and Jazz

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	\| colspan="2" \|For the most part, Jazz uses '''acoustic''' drums, whereas Fizz uses '''electronic''' drums. ''This is also the main factor that differentiates most Jazz ~~Fusion~~ from Jazztronica.'' This difference may seem trivial at first, but composers who have experience with both can confirm that acoustic kicks/snares and heavier electronic kicks/snares arguably don't even have the same percussive function. Other small differences include Jazz's iconic ride cymbal patterns, you won't hear much of that in Fizz, and conversely, you won't hear many quantized quarter-note claps in Jazz.		\| colspan="2" \|For the most part, Jazz uses '''acoustic''' drums, whereas Fizz uses '''electronic''' drums. ''This is also the main factor that differentiates most Jazz from Jazztronica.'' This difference may seem trivial at first, but composers who have experience with both can confirm that acoustic kicks/snares and heavier electronic kicks/snares arguably don't even have the same percussive function. Other small differences include Jazz's iconic ride cymbal patterns, you won't hear much of that in Fizz, and conversely, you won't hear many quantized quarter-note claps in Jazz.
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Fizzwikiadmin at 06:24, 14 June 2026

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	This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".		This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

	Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in their tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to ~~hear~~ the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).		Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in their tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to notice the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

	== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==		== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==

Fizzwikiadmin at 06:24, 14 June 2026

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	This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".		This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

	Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in ~~the~~ tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).		Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in their tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

	== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==		== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==

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	[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of '''EDM''' with a huge amount of '''Jazz''' influence. There are ~~'''~~countless similarities~~'''~~ between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently. Similar to how it's useful to categorize Jazz separately from Blues, and Blues separately from Spirituals.		[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of '''EDM''' with a huge amount of '''Jazz''' influence. There are countless similarities between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently. Similar to how it's useful to categorize Jazz separately from Blues, and Blues separately from Spirituals.

	This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".		This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

Fizzwikiadmin at 06:03, 14 June 2026

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	[[File:Fizz pills and Jazz pills.jpg\|thumb\|Jazz Pills and Fizz Pills\|~~400x400px~~]]		[[File:Fizz pills and Jazz pills.jpg\|thumb\|Jazz Pills and Fizz Pills\|299x299px]]
	[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of '''EDM''' with a huge amount of '''Jazz''' influence. There are '''countless similarities''' between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently. Similar to how it's useful to categorize Jazz separately from Blues, and Blues separately from Spirituals.		[[Fizz]] is a sub-genre of '''EDM''' with a huge amount of '''Jazz''' influence. There are '''countless similarities''' between Jazz and Fizz, but their differences warrant categorizing them differently. Similar to how it's useful to categorize Jazz separately from Blues, and Blues separately from Spirituals.

Fizzwikiadmin at 06:00, 14 June 2026

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	This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".		This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

	Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).		Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual '''Jazz Fusion''' fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

	== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==		== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==

Fizzwikiadmin at 05:59, 14 June 2026

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	This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".		This is what skeptics tend to misunderstand about Fizz: Fizz '''can't''' identify their music as Jazz since they're musically, culturally and philosophically incompatible. If they did identify as such, the amount of norms being broken would lead them to (rightfully) get criticized by Jazz purists. The Fizz community doesn't identify as it's own thing out of arrogance, disrespect or a delusion that they invented something they didn't, it's purely out of refusal to submit to the [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz imperial complex]], and out of respect for Jazz purists who, if they heard a Fizz song like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agb780qtc20 Weevil Lore by phonon] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlXMIRpwspM LACKSTRIKE by Convexity], would definitely not say that it's "real Jazz".

	Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, ~~can~~'t hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).		Let's just say that the ''"Fizz is just repackaged Jazz"'' talking point isn't coming from living Jazz legends like Herbie Hancock, Wynton Marsalis or anyone actually invested in the tradition, it's typically parroted by casual Fusion fans that haven't listened to much Fizz, don't have the ear to hear the obvious differences, haven't interacted with any actual Jazz purists who would disagree with them, and think that anything with modal interchange and chord extensions is Jazz (Those things are used regularly in Classical music btw).

	== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==		== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==

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	\| colspan="2" \|For the most part, Jazz uses acoustic drums, whereas Fizz uses ~~Electronic~~ drums. ''This is also the main factor that differentiates most Jazz Fusion from Jazztronica.'' This difference may seem trivial at first, but composers who have experience with both can confirm that acoustic kicks/snares and heavier electronic kicks/snares arguably don't even have the same percussive function. Other small differences include Jazz's iconic ride cymbal patterns, you won't hear much of that in Fizz, and conversely, you won't hear many quantized quarter-note claps in Jazz.		\| colspan="2" \|For the most part, Jazz uses '''acoustic''' drums, whereas Fizz uses '''electronic''' drums. ''This is also the main factor that differentiates most Jazz Fusion from Jazztronica.'' This difference may seem trivial at first, but composers who have experience with both can confirm that acoustic kicks/snares and heavier electronic kicks/snares arguably don't even have the same percussive function. Other small differences include Jazz's iconic ride cymbal patterns, you won't hear much of that in Fizz, and conversely, you won't hear many quantized quarter-note claps in Jazz.
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	== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==		== Differences between Fizz and Jazz ==
	The following is a list of musical and philosophical differences between Jazz and Fizz. Some of the characteristics listed under "Jazz" might not necessarily apply to [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz-identifying]] genres like Nu Jazz or Jazztronica, but that's something for them to reckon with.		The following is a list of '''musical''' and '''philosophical''' differences between Jazz and Fizz. Some of the characteristics listed under "Jazz" might not necessarily apply to [[Jazz Imperial Complex\|Jazz-identifying]] genres like Nu Jazz or Jazztronica, but that's something for them to reckon with.
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